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Thanks Wizard, I wished I had never asked. There is no accusations, it was a simple question because I don't know and thought you would.
Sorry to inconvenience all of you, go back to your math.

You only think it's a simple question. You might have learned otherwise, but not now.

Don't feed the hand that bites you.

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The casino itself makes a difference. If it's class II slots/VP, your observations are much more likely to be axxurate. If they are class III , you are dealing with a very small sample size and probably some selective memory.
ZCore13Mac,
Most everybody asked questions that are necessary to help answer your questions. There are over 300 gaming jurisdictions in the US alone, and each one has specific rules about what is and isn't allowed in VP software. So it's important to know where.
There are several hundred VP games out there from a dozen distributors and even more manufacturers. Some tendencies are known, some are not. So which games also matters.
Most importantly, there is a lot of variance in what's to be expected and within tolerance for each game in each jurisdiction. If there's something going on, it would have to be outside 'normal' parameters to detect it. That requires specific data. Like, in a previous post, hitting an inside straight got mentioned. You want one of 4 cards out of the remaining 48, right? So at least 11 out of 12 cards will not fill the straight. Losing bet to hold in nearly every VP game's best strategy. (A simple example of a much more complex calculation.)
Finding out if a game is cheating you is no small thing, and it takes a lot of very specific data; thousands of hands at least, to provide even a small dataset to compare to expectation.
If all you want is validation of your hypothetical, sure; it's POSSIBLE there's something going on. There ya go. But if you want to prove something, you have to have a lot of data. And that's much more what this forum is for, not hypotheticals or untested claims.Mac,
Most everybody asked questions that are necessary to help answer your questions. There are over 300 gaming jurisdictions in the US alone, and each one has specific rules about what is and isn't allowed in VP software. So it's important to know where.
There are several hundred VP games out there from a dozen distributors and even more manufacturers. Some tendencies are known, some are not. So which games also matters.
Most importantly, there is a lot of variance in what's to be expected and within tolerance for each game in each jurisdiction. If there's something going on, it would have to be outside 'normal' parameters to detect it. That requires specific data. Like, in a previous post, hitting an inside straight got mentioned. You want one of 4 cards out of the remaining 48, right? So at least 11 out of 12 cards will not fill the straight. Losing bet to hold in nearly every VP game's best strategy. (A simple example of a much more complex calculation.)
Finding out if a game is cheating you is no small thing, and it takes a lot of very specific data; thousands of hands at least, to provide even a small dataset to compare to expectation.
If all you want is validation of your hypothetical, sure; it's POSSIBLE there's something going on. There ya go. But if you want to prove something, you have to have a lot of data. And that's much more what this forum is for, not hypotheticals or untested claims.

Step one, where are these machines?

Since he talked about Ultimate X, it's a jurisdiction where games are not centrally determined like he claimed. Ultimate X cannot be class II/electronic bingo/virtual pull tabs, correct?
My wild guess is he is talking about Maryland. Laws there (like most states) say VP is from random and standard poker decks with 1/52 probability (non joker games) for each card. Casinos could be stupid and break the law though I suppose...

Since he talked about Ultimate X, it's a jurisdiction where games are not centrally determined like he claimed. Ultimate X cannot be class II/electronic bingo/virtual pull tabs, correct?

I don't see a reason why you couldn't have centrally determined UX. I doubt that there is any but it sure seems like it could be done.

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Think he might have meant no class 2 ultimate ex

Yes - should be a 30 minute suspension for the wizard lol

I'm sure you're joking, but I could argue I wasn't the one who brought up pro wrestling and was just making a joke.
Suspensions for hijacking are almost always reserved for those trying to inject a political opinion in a thread that has nothing to do with politics.

The truth about lurking and slot machines.
In the US, slot machines MUST be truly random by law. Except for considerations of progressives and/or banking, lurking will not help. And it's difficult to analyze the slots to figure out the break even point, becuse you cannot see the virtual reels.

There is no federal US law related to the behavior of slot machine games -- it's a state's issue. In New York, for example, the video terminals at racetracks are not playing random independent spins. They're playing electronic pull-tabs from a virtual set of tickets stored at a central system. Someone just posted about the Alabama bingo case -- those games are also not random independent spins. In the Alabama games, similar to Class II games, at least two players must be in competition for one of the prizes on the paytable, so you need a network and a server to coordinate the ad-hoc 'bingo games'. You cannot play those games if you're the only one in the casino -- they won't spin the reels until someone else shows up.
The point is that US gaming jurisdictions vary widely on what's allowed and what's not, for various electronic gaming machines and in various settings.

Everywhere a class three slot is allowed in the USA, to the best of my knowledge, it must be truly random, with independent reels.
Class 2 slots are not really slot machine,s they are bingo games in disguise.
Forgive me for saying 'slot machine' when I meant 'class III gaming device' :)

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Sort of -- Class II or III only has to do with the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA). It's convenient to talk about Class III because the IGRA defined it as 'everything that's not Class I or II', but it's only useful in that way. There are a lot of different games that qualify as Class II, and not all of them are bingo based, but that's not even the point because the games in New York (for example) aren't on tribal land anyway so the IGRA isn't the controlling law. In New York, the state lottery is the regulatory authority over the operation of machines in racinos. Those are the electronic pull-tab machines, but those aren't Class II. In fact, the categorization of the video pull-tab machines as Class III was a major District Court decision in Cabazon v. NIGA.

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